officers

[ansalan]

Trip Posted

I do not believe any of us are saying that the level requirement is the largest factor in choosing an officer, as you seem to think. We are just saying that the officers should have been around long enough to know their guild and the realm in which we are all in. When I see a level 5 officer, for example, my first thought is not that they have higher level alts, because I see each character as an individual.

Janelle Posted

I don't think anyone here is suggesting that level is the MAIN criteria of being an officer. A level 25 character that has been in the lands for 15 days is no better equipped to be an officer than a level 5 initiate who has been here a while. In my opinion, if an experienced adventurer has an alt that is level 5 and wishes them to be an officer and has the required experience and knowledge to become one, then they also have the necessary skills to reach a pre set level (the one being most commonly suggested here being 25) The pre set level being used to prevent extremely inexperienced and unprepared adventurers from taking on a role they may not be ready for.

Aye so then from this I get the feeling that you all feel level is not something that is important to the criteria of being an officer.

I therefore must ask what should be the criteria? Again it is to be something that should be left to the descretion of the leader as they know how their guild functions?

Why lead a dicussion to a point where I have to make a comment showing that levels are no importance to being an officer, when you all know that? Even asking for a level requirement equal to that of a leader?

What is being asked for then confuses me ?
What is being suggested here I would like to know what is being asked for ?

[hojo Musachi]

What's being suggested is simple:
Officers should have to be at least level 25 just like leaders have to be.
That's it.
No one is questioning what ideas a guild has or how they're run, providing they follow game rules it's up to them.

As always, you might want to refrain from ranting.

[ansalan]

What's being suggested is simple:
Officers should have to be at least level 25 just like leaders have to be.
That's it.
No one is questioning what ideas a guild has or how they're run, providing they follow game rules it's up to them.

As always, you might want to refrain from ranting.

A question is not a rant ? Hojo

I am in disagreement with the suggestion , so i wanted clarification as to what to dispute?

You might want to have levels as officers at least level 25 , then yes I have to dispute that , for I have seen no reason suggested that affects the internal running of a guild.

From what I gather the prime reason for officerhood being moved to 25 is that they represent and reflect your guild?

I am questioning this

No one is questioning what ideas a guild has or how they're run

because firstly I believe as many others do that every member of your guild represents your guild!

A leader ultimately is the one the gods have placed in trust of the developing the people in guilds entrusted to them.
Therefore I cannot understand where on one hand you are given the mantle of leadership to recognise and cultivate the ability of someone and to delegate and use the assets you have been given against the benefit of raising the level of them to a set limit which can be gained in 15 days as you have highlighted?

I guess it is confusing to me to have faith in the leaders of guilds then, I have only questioned the ability of the leader for I feel it is the leader of a guild that should ultimately be allowed to make this decision as to who to appoint as an officer provided they have a reason to do so . And if the leader is unwise then the guild will stop functioning and be disbanded or destroyed like some have in the past.

I will question however that whenever someone does not like a popular idea you disagrees providing reasons for their disagreement some are quick to accuse them of ranting .

I am speaking to you without any anger for this issue does not affect me much , got one (forum officer) under 25 shes level 23 and is in charge of our (forums). Raising it to 25 is in my opinion taking away a priviledge of a leader to recognise and use the resources that should be a leaders that the gods have entrusted to them.

[rikm]

My good friends are all different personalities and I try and treat them as such. What one character learns not necessarily another one knows. I have two of my good friends as officers but I am sure that their responsibilities are less than that of the leaders.

That is why I would suggest the advancement be about 20 instead of 25 because doesn’t a leader have to be 25? I would also put a stipulation on the leadership transfer that the transferee must be at least level 25 (the same level as needed to become a leader). But the advancement of a leader in my opinion has been set to low.

At level 20 you would have a chance to establish that character and build some friends.

[Xanthias]

I feel obligated to speak once more.

Personally, when I see a guild with an Officer that is of particularly low lever I think a variety of thoughts about that guild, -none- of which are good.

A.) This guild must be hurting for people and thus appointing officers willy-nilly.
B.) This guild is brand new, unlikely to know what it is doing, and most likely doomed.
C.) They couldn't do better than that?

Those are just a few of the many.

My main argument here, is that when I -see- a low level officer my first thoughts are not good. When a High level officer is seen I think that the guild actually took some thought into what they were doing when they gave positions in their guild.

Does level specifically mean that you're better qualified to lead?

No.

But a higher level means that -most- likely a person will "stick" around long enough to see something happen in their guild. Otherwise it just seems a waste of in-game resources to me.

If you're the player of a high level alt maybe you should make your high level alt an officer instead then.

Not everybody is going to know that so and so is the alt of so and so. Frankly, it shouldn't matter if they did or not. As has been stated countless times already, each character is a different person, for all in-game intents and purposes.

I will not go up to Bob and say "Hello Gary." when I know Gary is John's other alt character. That's called bad-form.

The suggestion for a level requirement seems to be coming from a betterment of game point of view. A person is -more- likely to join a guild when the officers and leader are of high levels than they would if the officers were the same low level as them. Why? Because they'll think that the guild has been around long enough that it is established and not likely to fail.

[sashtan]

i have been watching this thread and would like to point out that there are several players that prefer to role play rather than gain levels .

as the main point of the game is rp then this would make me say they are the better players so if i wish to appoint a character that i know and that has been around a while and knows the game why should i be restricted by the fact that they are lower than level 25 because they prefer to RP. yes i agree that a level 5 player may not be seen as a good officer i would suggest a lower level cap if one is to be applied. maybe 15.

i myself by some of the comments made should be the highest level possible as i have been around long enough but prefer to PLAY the game rather than just fight.

[Xanthias]

Sashtan,

Yes, I'm on of those RP'ers. I've been around for four years or so. I'm only level 52. I should have been top of the game some time ago according to your interpretation.

There's nothing wrong with RP. Much preferred by myself. However, I still think a level requirement should be implemented. If they want to join a guild, it wouldn't be a problem to tack out a few levels, still RP, and meet the minimum requirement. Nobody said they had to go further than that.

Despite the fact that this is about RP, we're still adventurers here. All PC characters are adventurers. We're not random townsfolk or anything else. We're adventurers come to see the defeat of Balthazar. Technically, everybody should level up, or they're OOC.

[hojo Musachi]

Most ingame items have a level requirement attached to them. It's nothing new (level requirements that is, this change would be new).

[sashtan]

its not my interpretation xanthias but my observation of what other people have said like you i have been here long enough to be top level.

Hojo what has level requirement for equipement got to do with this discussion?

[hojo Musachi]

its not my interpretation xanthias but my observation of what other people have said like you i have been here long enough to be top level.

Hojo what has level requirement for equipement got to do with this discussion?

Level requirements are apart of DG. Yet they're (at times) role-played with out a fuss.

[sashtan]

but here we are talking about a leaders assessment of an individual not an item that the gods have provided for a certain level

[skylsganin]

I have read through the thread , and personally I would like to see a level set for joining a guild at all.. not just officers and guild leaders.
Those that have stayed low level and roleplay are able to access guild forums and interact within guilds without the line on there bios.
The biggest effect of guilds is on new players. who often need time to discover there " character" to make friends and become a part of Valorn.
Whilst guilds do help, and I would hope will continue to help, when these players are recruited early they soon find out that maybe they don't fit in so well. which I think then hinders their development.

[hojo Musachi]

but here we are talking about a leaders assessment of an individual not an item that the gods have provided for a certain level

Well, no. The suggestion is about an item for a certain level.
I really find it hard to belive a guild will crumble because officers have to be a specific level which is why I dug up the thread to re-suggest this.
And due to how things have been in the past, I don't think it would effect current officers, only those that will become an officer after the change is made.
Providing admin are able and want to.

[el gato]

I don't think that there should be a level restriction for officers. If a guild leader wants to appoint a level 4, for some strange reason, then he should be allowed to appoint that person an officer. Who is going to respect a guild that has a level 4 or level 8 officer. Especially if there are a bunch of level 25ish adventurers in that guild. If the RoK appointed a level 8 officer, I would be offended by the guild leader, and humiliated that I was in the guild that would appoint such a low level.
If I was not in a guild and looking for one, I certinaly would not want to be in a guild that has such low level officers. Nor would I want to be in a guild that has the most of their members below level 10, but that is a different post for a different time.
Bottom line is. If someone wants to make a silly decision and appoint a newbie as an officer, I say let them. They are going to lose respect of their higher level folks (if there are any) and lose those members. And, that guild won't be around long and we wont have to worry about their newbie officers.

[ShadowHunter]

wow, suprising to see this old thread back


in terms of my initial suggestion, how about making the guild leader transfer form have a level requirement for use then?

[Jade Silvermoon]

Wow it took me this long to get it..I must be loosing my touch

[el gato]

Zanaan said:

in terms of my initial suggestion, how about making the guild leader transfer form have a level requirement for use then?

If a guild leader wants to transfer leadership to a newbie, then why stop him? I doubt that the rest of the folks in the guild will stick around to find out what kind of leader the newbie is. It might be easier just to buy a guild disbandment form.

[rikm]

Well the reasoning behind having a level requirement for the guild transfer I think is because it is probably possible to have someone create a guild at the required level or higher then transfer it to a character or an alt who is below what is required to form a guild. Though I am not suggesting that this happens.

I think that the level requirement was put there for a reason.

[Trip Lancer]

*bump*
I am aware that this caused a lot of discussion, but I would like to see if anyone has had a change of opinion.
I, personally, still believe that there should be a level requirement for officers.

[Shade Muen]

Well now, this is a bit silly don't ye think...if the guild is happy with someone being a officer of low level, just what does it have to do wth people that are not in that guild?